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		<title>By: StevenAlpern</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAlpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, vaccinations are an interesting example, far from straight-forward, and peculiar among (western) medical therapies. Maybe evolving our immune response to epidemic disease has a broader historical purpose for human civilization. Try checking out David Clark\&#039;s \&quot;Germs, Genes, and Civilization.\&quot;  
 
Yet, that really isn\&#039;t the point. Something bother you about my contention that various experiential phenomena have an impact, both for better and worse, on \&quot;physical\&quot; health? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, vaccinations are an interesting example, far from straight-forward, and peculiar among (western) medical therapies. Maybe evolving our immune response to epidemic disease has a broader historical purpose for human civilization. Try checking out David Clark\&#8217;s \&#8221;Germs, Genes, and Civilization.\&#8221;  </p>
<p>Yet, that really isn\&#8217;t the point. Something bother you about my contention that various experiential phenomena have an impact, both for better and worse, on \&#8221;physical\&#8221; health?</p>
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		<title>By: StevenAlpern</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAlpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know anything about this \&quot;magical nonsense,\&quot; or are you just practicing your invective? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know anything about this \&#8221;magical nonsense,\&#8221; or are you just practicing your invective?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeTheInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;What many of us know as &quot;science&quot; is just the FORM of science based on the &quot;modern western&quot; worldview.&#039; 
 
There is no such thing as &#039;western science.&#039; Science is science, period. What you&#039;re doing is magical nonsense. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#039;What many of us know as &quot;science&quot; is just the FORM of science based on the &quot;modern western&quot; worldview.&#039; </p>
<p>There is no such thing as &#039;western science.&#039; Science is science, period. What you&#039;re doing is magical nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeTheInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is utter rubbish. 
 
&quot;Such remedies can&#8217;t cure disease; they can only manage and control it.&quot; 
 
Funny, it seems to have cured smallpox quite well. And it can cure all manner of diseases, in specific people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is utter rubbish. </p>
<p>&quot;Such remedies can&rsquo;t cure disease; they can only manage and control it.&quot; </p>
<p>Funny, it seems to have cured smallpox quite well. And it can cure all manner of diseases, in specific people.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenAlpern</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAlpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That\&#039;s some serious invective you got going there. What scares you so? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That\&#8217;s some serious invective you got going there. What scares you so?</p>
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		<title>By: StevenAlpern</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAlpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so many misunderstandings! I hardly know where to start. You seem to suggest that I disparage medical professionals in some way. Quite the contrary! I have boundless respect for the HUMANITY that many medical professionals are able to maintain, even with their intensive scientific training. I\&#039;m not writing about the people who practice western medicine, but the worldview from which it arises. The power and utility of (western) scientific medicine needs no further apology for a public that is already well exposed to its strengths.  
 
The \&quot;embodied spirit\&quot; is my translation of a classical Chinese medicine idea (精 神, &lt;em&gt;jingshen&lt;/em&gt;), which has been largely eliminated from modern CM doctrine. I use it to make the point that individuals are more than complex biochemical machines. They have individual volition, which may be either consciously expressed or seen in somatized stress, which has certainly been shown to contribute to many diseases.  
 
Well, we agree on one thing. Pharmaceutical companies are trying to maximize their profit. As such, they have a vested interest in maintaining the current consumption model of temporary control of \&quot;abnormal\&quot; physiological metrics. They constantly look for new substances, including many used by various herbal traditions, and they make their money by having many diseased individuals having continue their therapies indefinitely. Even when they were not originally designed for such long term application, such as many psychiatric medicines, that has become their most common application because curative therapies are too labor-intensive and expensive.  
 
I understand that the FDA is charged with approving therapies based on their proven safety and effectiveness; I\&#039;m asking: What does it mean for a therapy to be \&quot;proven effective?\&quot; How do we measure effectiveness? Might we be missing something, such as restoring the physiological function that led to an individual\&#039;s disease in the first place, rather than simply providing a temporary patch? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so many misunderstandings! I hardly know where to start. You seem to suggest that I disparage medical professionals in some way. Quite the contrary! I have boundless respect for the HUMANITY that many medical professionals are able to maintain, even with their intensive scientific training. I\&#8217;m not writing about the people who practice western medicine, but the worldview from which it arises. The power and utility of (western) scientific medicine needs no further apology for a public that is already well exposed to its strengths.  </p>
<p>The \&#8221;embodied spirit\&#8221; is my translation of a classical Chinese medicine idea (精 神, <em>jingshen</em>), which has been largely eliminated from modern CM doctrine. I use it to make the point that individuals are more than complex biochemical machines. They have individual volition, which may be either consciously expressed or seen in somatized stress, which has certainly been shown to contribute to many diseases.  </p>
<p>Well, we agree on one thing. Pharmaceutical companies are trying to maximize their profit. As such, they have a vested interest in maintaining the current consumption model of temporary control of \&#8221;abnormal\&#8221; physiological metrics. They constantly look for new substances, including many used by various herbal traditions, and they make their money by having many diseased individuals having continue their therapies indefinitely. Even when they were not originally designed for such long term application, such as many psychiatric medicines, that has become their most common application because curative therapies are too labor-intensive and expensive.  </p>
<p>I understand that the FDA is charged with approving therapies based on their proven safety and effectiveness; I\&#8217;m asking: What does it mean for a therapy to be \&#8221;proven effective?\&#8221; How do we measure effectiveness? Might we be missing something, such as restoring the physiological function that led to an individual\&#8217;s disease in the first place, rather than simply providing a temporary patch?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article clearly displays a lack of understanding of medicine. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and all other health care professionals are trained to consider the patient, not to just consider the disease. Any therapy, any treatment, or any practice that can cause actual, quantifiable improvement to the condition of the patient is tried.  
 
The reason you don&#039;t see many researchers looking for something that will &quot;work with the individual blocks of the embodied spirit&quot; is because this &quot;embodied spirit&quot; hasn&#039;t been shown to exist. If you can provide a working definition, and provide a measurable interaction, we can determine if this spirit actually exists. If it does, medicines that work with it will be explored; if it doesn&#039;t, then we&#039;ll carry on with our current model. 
 
Think of it this way: pharmaceutical companies are large, greedy corporations that want as much money as possible. Don&#039;t you really think that they&#039;d research this &quot;embodied spirit&quot; if it meant that they could sell cures designed to work with it? 
 
And finally, I leave with this: The Federal Food, Drug, &amp; Cosmetic act, with the Durham-Humphrey Amendment, requires all medications and all treatments to be both safe and effective. If it&#039;s discovered that a drug that was rushed through the process is not safe, not effective, or both, it will be pulled from the market. It&#039;s to make sure that patients are not damaged by the treatments we give them. 
 
Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article clearly displays a lack of understanding of medicine. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and all other health care professionals are trained to consider the patient, not to just consider the disease. Any therapy, any treatment, or any practice that can cause actual, quantifiable improvement to the condition of the patient is tried.  </p>
<p>The reason you don&#039;t see many researchers looking for something that will &quot;work with the individual blocks of the embodied spirit&quot; is because this &quot;embodied spirit&quot; hasn&#039;t been shown to exist. If you can provide a working definition, and provide a measurable interaction, we can determine if this spirit actually exists. If it does, medicines that work with it will be explored; if it doesn&#039;t, then we&#039;ll carry on with our current model. </p>
<p>Think of it this way: pharmaceutical companies are large, greedy corporations that want as much money as possible. Don&#039;t you really think that they&#039;d research this &quot;embodied spirit&quot; if it meant that they could sell cures designed to work with it? </p>
<p>And finally, I leave with this: The Federal Food, Drug, &amp; Cosmetic act, with the Durham-Humphrey Amendment, requires all medications and all treatments to be both safe and effective. If it&#039;s discovered that a drug that was rushed through the process is not safe, not effective, or both, it will be pulled from the market. It&#039;s to make sure that patients are not damaged by the treatments we give them. </p>
<p>Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenAlpern</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAlpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you be more specific?  
 
I think science is a systematic investigation of nature, and how to interact with it to pursue some goal. What many of us know as \&quot;science\&quot; is just the FORM of science based on the \&quot;modern western\&quot; worldview. Both our language and \&#039;common logic\&#039; conceptualize our world consisting of objects with fixed measurable qualities. So, the science we know is the science of that world. But, it that the only coherent way of seeing the world? 
 
My approach to CM sees the world (and each individual) as dynamic and responsive. This world consists of directional movements, rather than \&quot;objects with fixed measurable qualities.\&quot; The main focus of this worldview is to identify and differentiate stagnating influences (邪 - &lt;em&gt;xie&lt;/em&gt;), rather than classifying the manifestation of distress expressed in various symptoms and signs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you be more specific?  </p>
<p>I think science is a systematic investigation of nature, and how to interact with it to pursue some goal. What many of us know as \&#8221;science\&#8221; is just the FORM of science based on the \&#8221;modern western\&#8221; worldview. Both our language and \&#8217;common logic\&#8217; conceptualize our world consisting of objects with fixed measurable qualities. So, the science we know is the science of that world. But, it that the only coherent way of seeing the world? </p>
<p>My approach to CM sees the world (and each individual) as dynamic and responsive. This world consists of directional movements, rather than \&#8221;objects with fixed measurable qualities.\&#8221; The main focus of this worldview is to identify and differentiate stagnating influences (邪 &#8211; <em>xie</em>), rather than classifying the manifestation of distress expressed in various symptoms and signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hydrogenous</title>
		<link>http://www.ccmforhealing.com/2010/01/the-cost-of-scientific-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Hydrogenous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Science&quot; 
 
You keep using that word. I don&#039;t think it means what you think it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Science&quot; </p>
<p>You keep using that word. I don&#039;t think it means what you think it means.</p>
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